tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2348464617577736454.post6368142705303139155..comments2024-03-28T21:39:05.175+08:00Comments on Senang Diri: Haze watch 2013: Role of the Singapore Armed Forces (SAF) in combatting the haze David Boeyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11401913253357584603noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2348464617577736454.post-7095533482606991102013-06-27T10:34:15.428+08:002013-06-27T10:34:15.428+08:00Before the SAF uses satellites to map hot spots, l...Before the SAF uses satellites to map hot spots, let us first see if anyone at the top has links to the guilty companies.<br /><br />http://www.theglobalmail.org/feature/out-of-the-haze-a-singapore-spring/646/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2348464617577736454.post-41766535734614107762013-06-26T13:07:45.547+08:002013-06-26T13:07:45.547+08:00Offer help.
Offer what?
Seeds for clouds? They a...Offer help.<br /><br />Offer what?<br /><br />Seeds for clouds? They already have.<br /><br />Planes they have.<br /><br />Can offer clouds because they don't have.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2348464617577736454.post-10520476119533705712013-06-25T15:46:18.379+08:002013-06-25T15:46:18.379+08:00Hi Anon June 25, 2013 at 12:32 AM,
You are right, ...Hi Anon June 25, 2013 at 12:32 AM,<br />You are right, of course. Even if the outstanding issues have been resolved, the Indonesians will cook up some reason to chastise us for demanding that they take action now Over the haze issue, we are right to offer help, and not talk down to them. I think Malaysia is also doing the same. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2348464617577736454.post-82400732478552900202013-06-25T00:32:33.287+08:002013-06-25T00:32:33.287+08:00Hi Anon June24 @9:50PM,
I think even if these outs...Hi Anon June24 @9:50PM,<br />I think even if these outstanding issues have been resolved, the Indonesians will make up some reason to chastise us for demanding that they take action now.<br />Indonesia is just too big in land area and population islands to govern effectively (as in up to standards of SG or even M'sia) and the fact that Sumatra is possibly the poorest and least developed of the major islands doesn't help.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2348464617577736454.post-40158504188466356162013-06-24T21:50:48.421+08:002013-06-24T21:50:48.421+08:00I was thinking, perhaps our high-handedness and ar...I was thinking, perhaps our high-handedness and arrogance over some issues have irked the Indonesians in the past, so we are receiving in-kind treatment from them this time. There is the outstanding issue of control over the Riau air traffic information zone, which we have steadfastly refused to transfer to the Indonesians. Another sore point is the extradition treaty and return of ill-gotten assets to Indonesia.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2348464617577736454.post-11738160350731278402013-06-24T15:04:42.389+08:002013-06-24T15:04:42.389+08:00As others have already pointed out, as long as the...As others have already pointed out, as long as the ID govt do no cooperate all these ideas are good only for reading pleasure. <br /><br />The ID govt have no respect for others even after we bend over for them. I think they are just playing us to the edge and forcing us to use extreme measures. Think about it. They are basically not caring about choking to death first our economy then our health. <br /><br />Using the SAF against them is too harsh how about something more low level and targeted. Go after the business people. Kill some to frighten the rest which I believe the Indonesians people would even applaud. At least that's what my Indonesian friends suggest. Stop those giving corrupt money to politicians. Time to serve these tycoons what they sometimes serve to inconvenient rank and file Indonesians. Save the Indonesian people even as we protect ourselves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2348464617577736454.post-4907535297115567252013-06-24T12:42:23.927+08:002013-06-24T12:42:23.927+08:00reading through some of the comments.
I mean some...reading through some of the comments.<br /><br />I mean some serious questions have to be asked :<br /><br />1) Why after over a decade of haze has nothing been done legally or inter-government?<br /><br />2) Why is there no foresight that we will likely face this sort of health crisis given predictable weather conditions?<br /><br />3) Why is there no contingency plan in place by SAF or the government?<br /><br />4) Why have we not been able to lease/hire firefighting assets from secondary countries to "help" the Indonesians along with their meagre complement of 100 men and 2 helicopters?<br /><br />5)Why have we sat on our hands and waited for 'cloud seeding' or rain?<br /><br />6) Why have we not developed and purchase the MAFF equipment/capability?<br /><br />7) Why do we not have sufficient gas mask or facilities to guard against this sort of danger given history?<br /><br />8) Why are we not able to exercise better soft persuasion on Indonesia without the sort of tactless gaffs on certain minister's social media sites?<br /><br />Not trying to point the finger at anyone of course but some hard lessons have either not been learnt over many years or are simply ignored. Instead public is fed useless PSI readings and kept home in the (vain) hope that air conditioning will filter out the nasty particles.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2348464617577736454.post-6832379116236515222013-06-24T12:31:08.876+08:002013-06-24T12:31:08.876+08:00...people can still work from home ...accept forei......people can still work from home ...accept foreign construction workers...they are what do they call it? Expendable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2348464617577736454.post-65071952012717655032013-06-24T03:59:32.942+08:002013-06-24T03:59:32.942+08:00Hapuskan PAP!Hapuskan PAP!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2348464617577736454.post-80806747169247348512013-06-24T00:23:34.514+08:002013-06-24T00:23:34.514+08:00Precisely that was what i was hinting. Students ha...Precisely that was what i was hinting. Students have to commute to schools and are not teleported instantly. Moreover there are no N95 masks customised for children. In other words erring on the side of caution, its better that schools are closed for at least another week if by 29 June situation does not improve. People can still work from home. Those in the ivory towers still dont get it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2348464617577736454.post-61158007615143228212013-06-23T22:10:05.233+08:002013-06-23T22:10:05.233+08:00addendum to above post. Better use seawater, so th...addendum to above post. Better use seawater, so the land cannot be used productively for plantations!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2348464617577736454.post-91250748304966194972013-06-23T22:08:49.453+08:002013-06-23T22:08:49.453+08:00Indonesia, Malaysia and Singapore should jointly l...Indonesia, Malaysia and Singapore should jointly lease a fleet of Be-200 fire-bombers, crew them with Russians, and dispatch them to Sumatra to put out the fires. No point giving our cash to those extortionists. Or even the fire-fighting aircraft.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2348464617577736454.post-19269116912407665632013-06-23T21:16:49.780+08:002013-06-23T21:16:49.780+08:00Dear Anon 4:49 PM,
re: Schools. The issue isn'...Dear Anon 4:49 PM,<br />re: Schools. The issue isn't whether indoor air quality in schools and homes is the same.<br /><br />Students can't teleport themselves to school. Some students travel substantial distances to and from home and school. Some walk, some cycle. Not everyone gets chauffered there in an aircon car.<br /><br />When ground visibility dips, road safety should be a primary concern too. Even in clear wx, we get school kids run over by errant drivers.<br /><br />We also need to ask if it is necessary to have young lungs exposed to what the NEA itself declares as Hazardous air conditions.<br /><br />The same logic applies to office workers. <br /><br />There are many corporate functions that can run close to normal as many office workers can log on to their office systems from home. <br /><br />Best regards,<br /><br /><br />DavidDavid Boeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11401913253357584603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2348464617577736454.post-69756581997603791982013-06-23T16:49:59.654+08:002013-06-23T16:49:59.654+08:00Talk about using the SAF now, it should have been ...Talk about using the SAF now, it should have been done on Thursday when the PSI and PM 2.5 levels reached dangerous levels. The govt is either in a state of denial or its response has cocked up to the state of FUBAR. What should have been done is to activate the SAF and SCDF to distribute free N95 masks and to set up mobile hospitals in anticipation of the surge of patients due to haze, dengue and possibly MERS in the next few weeks. When we start to hear the pseudobabble and gobbledygook to justify why it is better to refer to 24 hr PSI rather than 3hr or hourly PSI, trying to justify non-closure of schools by equating indoor home conditions as the same as indoor school conditions and why there was no stop work order for construction workers by relying on a continuum of variables rather than a threshold figure for PSI demonstrated the lack of decisiveness or being clueless or have lost the plot in managing this crisis. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2348464617577736454.post-35066293025609813242013-06-23T08:59:40.830+08:002013-06-23T08:59:40.830+08:00and according to genting group (malaysia) company ...and according to genting group (malaysia) company website, genting plantations currently has about 228,000 hectares of plantation land in malaysia and indonesia. <br /><br />so, is getting plantation one of the companies from malaysia which is responsible for the current massive forest/peatland burning in sumatra, indonesia ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2348464617577736454.post-2081095698954729712013-06-23T08:31:06.830+08:002013-06-23T08:31:06.830+08:00If they stock piled gas mask appropriately, our fr...If they stock piled gas mask appropriately, our friend WontonMan won't have such a problem getting his fishballs.<br /><br />Seems to me 'Total Defense' concept needs a bit of attention. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2348464617577736454.post-4625606032396942892013-06-23T08:13:59.483+08:002013-06-23T08:13:59.483+08:00Singapore Garhment good at hire foreign talent but...Singapore Garhment good at hire foreign talent but when got this kind of problem, why no spend money to fix?<br /><br />Now I go buy fishball also got problem. <br /><br />How say?WontonMannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2348464617577736454.post-1837806070686410622013-06-23T08:12:02.300+08:002013-06-23T08:12:02.300+08:00All this is fine and dandy but immediate action ne...All this is fine and dandy but immediate action needs to be taken.<br /><br />Instead the government seems to be clumsily waiting for Indonesia to carry the ball and run with it.<br /><br />100 firefighters and 2 helicopters for a scale this massive is a joke.<br /><br />As is cloud seeding when there are no clouds.<br /><br />Singapore has no capability to operate the Modular firefighting systems on the Charlies nor do they have the require experience.<br /><br />the short term fix would be to throw money at the problem and lease the expertise be it from California, Russia or wherever.<br /><br />There are plenty of firefighting assets which can be hired in for the job and which will not risk embaressment to our giant neighbour.<br /><br />Our politicians are not adept at diplomatic side stepping these days as evident in Goh Chok Tong's childish retort recently on his facebook.<br /><br />This is a health threatening situation to the nation and requires more proactive and robust action then hourly PSI readings.<br /><br />No need to co-organize some sort of ASEAN medic's meet recently if we don't even have contingency in place for a situation that has been with us for almost two decades.<br /><br />Negligence.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2348464617577736454.post-46276271900626665682013-06-23T00:50:52.960+08:002013-06-23T00:50:52.960+08:00Our far-sighted government has no drawer plans for...Our far-sighted government has no drawer plans for a high PSI scenario despite haze being yearly occurrence for 20 years. <br /><br />This is quite an oversight by our capable and expensive civil service. It shows that these great minds are merely instruments of the top leedership who makes all the decisions. They are incentivised to perform to measures and not to results. In cases where the top leedership is sleeping, all the wondrous talent of our civil service is wasted.<br /><br />Gaps in drawer plans happen where decision-making is highly centralized. I hope our PM all-controlling has not done this with the SAF, otherwise all our wondrous weapons in the SAF will be wasted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2348464617577736454.post-68340731785255964272013-06-22T22:36:34.841+08:002013-06-22T22:36:34.841+08:00Come on guys. Comments from an Arm Chair General....Come on guys. Comments from an Arm Chair General...<br /><br />Don't take it too seriously. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2348464617577736454.post-79314739736287407102013-06-22T21:39:40.101+08:002013-06-22T21:39:40.101+08:00Anon 8:39
Will you volunteer to invade that helli...Anon 8:39<br /><br />Will you volunteer to invade that hellish landscape, instead of ordering forced conscripts to die doing it so you can sit in comfort?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2348464617577736454.post-38681697857415625382013-06-22T21:05:05.642+08:002013-06-22T21:05:05.642+08:00Dear Anon (above) and Anon 6:07PM,
There is an Air...Dear Anon (above) and Anon 6:07PM,<br />There is an Air-Sea gap between Indonesia and Singapore. <br /><br />There's no need for the air sampling UAVs to enter their airspace. Ample room for the flying PSI sensors to do their job.<br /><br />Anyway, swarm UAVs is a subject matter of interest for a particular SE Asian nation.<br /><br />re: C130 water bomber. Goes without saying this has to be with their concurrence.<br /><br />Skies seem clear this Saturday evening!<br /><br />Best regards,<br /><br /><br />DavidDavid Boeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11401913253357584603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2348464617577736454.post-39680955693313389742013-06-22T20:39:17.613+08:002013-06-22T20:39:17.613+08:00You are just talking cock and full of mastubatory ...You are just talking cock and full of mastubatory fantasies like many commanders in a TTX. You think the Indons will allow the SAF to fly freely over their airspace especially the UAVs?<br /><br />I have a better fantasy, if the SAF is really that good, why not we send in our esteemed 21st Div and 48 SAR to secure the affected land mass supported by our expensive toys such as our Longbow Apaches, F-15SGs and our La Fayette frigates before sending in our SCDF rhinos on the ground. And throw in C-130s and Chinooks to do waterbombing runs?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2348464617577736454.post-36909353375968809302013-06-22T19:54:38.084+08:002013-06-22T19:54:38.084+08:00The National Leedership has decided that sounding ...The National Leedership has decided that sounding the Public Warning System would too accurately acknowledge the high severity of the haze problem. Therefore it is not worth the cost in people's health.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2348464617577736454.post-6419175421629617972013-06-22T18:14:34.384+08:002013-06-22T18:14:34.384+08:00Oh stop talking cock to use the poor NS boys as ch...Oh stop talking cock to use the poor NS boys as cheap labor. Idiots only think SAF is almightyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com